Ocean’s Twelve EXPLAINED

This post contains spoilers.

I am sick, sick, SICK of people all over the internet talking shit about the fantastically intricate and rewarding experience that is Ocean’s Twelve, the sequel to 2001’s Ocean’s Eleven.

Yes I’m talking to you.

Common accusations levelled by stupid people at Ocean’s Twelve:

  • Just an excuse to get the celebrities back together and sell movie tickets
  • Too many new and/or insignificant characters
  • I didn’t understand what was going on
  • The twist ending makes the whole movie totally pointless

These complaints are all wrong, and everybody who believes them is just too stupid to understand the story. Yes I said it. The movie is genius. YOU are stupid.

I love this movie. It is so dense. There are so many different stories being told at once, and the best part of all is that you don’t even realise it. Every scene, every line, every shot has a place in grand scheme, but sure it seems unimportant if you aren’t paying attention. By the end, all the story threads are wrapped up. Everybody who was being conned, whether you realised it or not, have been conned (including the audience), and the gang get together for a cheery game of poker to say, “fuck you, we win because we have friends and keep things professional.”

Who is Being Conned?

This film is all about people being conned. People feel ‘conned’ out of the price of their movie ticket. They don’t understand what is going on. They think there is only one story – the story about Benedict wanting his money back. No way. That is the merest excuse for the plot to start. The rest of the plot is infinitely more interesting, and dense. Let’s try to name every single con that is being pulled in the film:

  • The Night Fox is conning Ocean’s Eleven (so he thinks) with an un-winnable challenge.
  • Ocean’s Eleven are conning the Night Fox so he will pay off Benedict, having already won his challenge.
  • Le Marc is conning the Night Fox (we find out later).
  • Le Marc is (openly) conning Ocean’s Eleven to get the egg and his daughter from them all for nothing.
  • Ocean’s Eleven are conning Isabel to make their con of the Night Fox more believable.
  • Isabel is conning the Italian police out of their resources, like father like daughter.
  • Isabel is conning Nagel into betraying Rusty.
  • The Night Fox is conning Benedict into shepherding Ocean’s Eleven right to his doorstep.
  • Le Marc is conning Isabel by playing dead and hiding the fact that he is her father.
  • Linus’ Mom is conning Isabel out of her prisoners.
  • Danny is conning Tess into experiencing the world of the con artist, so she can see why he doesn’t want to retire.
  • Rusty is conning Isabel to win her back.
  • Rusty is conning Ocean’s Eleven by hiding Isabel from them.
  • The Night Fox is conning Matsui into hiring Ocean’s Eleven for a job that puts them right where he wants them.
  • Either the Night Fox or Le Marc or both are conning van de Woude out of his stock certificate.

and perhaps the most entertaining running joke of all,

  • Ocean’s gang are all conning the amateur Linus about feeling important!!

No wonder the average punter hates this film! So many characters are being conned and it can be hard to follow. This is not a popcorn movie. This is intricate shit, and I am going to spend the next few thousand words blowing your mind by analysing it scene by scene, to show you just how wrong you are.


This analysis of Ocean’s Twelve will be written in two parts. Part One will be a general discussion of characters and plot. Part Two will be a chronological timeline with all the sneaky stuff inserted in the right places to spell it all out for you troglodytes. 



Let me just say it over and over again. This movie is NOT ABOUT GEORGE CLOONEY.

In many, many ways, this story is all about Le Marc. Forget George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, forget all the celebrities. They are completely incidental to the real, central plot of this film. Basically this film should be renamed “Le Marc and His Subordinates“.

This right here, right off the bat, is the first con of the movie. The con of the audience. The audience is being conned into believing that they are watching a story about Ocean’s gang. Our eyes are primed to gaze at interesting story events happening to them. The famous people. The names on the poster. The audience tunes out the rest of the details that tell the real story. Le Marc is only mentioned in passing, alluded to in hushed tones, and his existence and involvement in the entire plot is only revealed at the very, very end. Blink and you’ll miss him. Don’t blink. Pay attention now.

Le Marc is truly our protagonist in this film. Le Marc is the one who moves all the story along. It’s just that we don’t get to see much of him. We only see this story from the perspective of Ocean’s gang. In the final evaluation, everyone who thinks they are conning someone else in this film is really being conned by Le Marc. So it’s important you know who he is, what he wants, and how he gets it.

Le Marc, quite simply, is the greatest thief that ever lived. We are told this many times. He steals his prizes not with threats and violence, like any common bank robber, but by cunning manipulation. The con. As Isabel tells us, he practices the ‘long con’. What is the long con? The long con, as the name suggests, is perpetrated over a long period of time, with the use of perhaps a secret identity or alias, to gain the victim’s trust, to extract secrets, items, leverage, or other valuable assets, while remaining totally above suspicion.

The name Le Marc itself is one such alias, used to protect his family. The fact that Isabel’s father used an alias tells us something about him. Le Marc loves his family, or more specifically, he loves his daughter. He wants to protect her from harm, only, he didn’t count on the irrationality of emotions. Le Marc’s wife, Isabel’s mother, didn’t approve of any of the thievery shenanigans. She made him return the Faberge Egg that was his most coveted and hard-won prize, and then she stole his daughter away, threatening to turn him in to the police if he ever tried to contact her. His wife was obviously so concerned for their daughter that she didn’t care how good he was at remaining above suspicion. His wife simply said “no” to all of it, and to hell with his career. The long con is a matter of keeping your mind in the game to stay ahead of everybody, but there was no conning her when she was driven by her strong emotion (fear for daughter). As far as his wife was concerned, any risk was too much risk when it came to their daughter’s safety.

This tells us more about Le Marc. I think he has an inferiority complex. He worked so, so hard to become “by far the greatest thief that ever lived.” But in one move it was stolen from him. Wait… STOLEN! From HIM! Nobody steals from Le Marc! He must have been devastated. His wife stole his daughter, AND his title in one fell swoop. He failed the test of being good enough to convince his wife that he could protect their anonymity. That was the real test of his thievery skills. And ever since his daughter, Isabel, was taken from him when she was 9 years old, he has been yearning, scheming, worrying, and working his way back to the top.

The film Ocean’s Twelve is about Le Marc’s final grand play to redeem himself as the greatest thief that ever lived. Le Marc’s comeback has been literally decades in the making. In this film, Le Marc shows himself to be truly the master of the long con. A con that is decades long.

What exactly does Le Marc want, then? His wants are very simple. First: he wants his daughter. Second: he wants his Faberge Egg. Third: he wants his title!!! The fact that the Night Fox goes around challenging people to duels to prove that he (the Night Fox) is the greatest thief in the world, is offensive to Le Marc, as it shows a plain lack of respect. Le Marc, after all, has not retired entirely of his own volition. While his daughter is definitely his number one concern, as well as getting back the egg and the title, it is also important that he puts this young upstart in his place. Nobody, nobody may be greater than Le Marc. Le Marc is the greatest thief that ever lived. Thus it was, thus it shall be again.

So with his objectives clear, how exactly does Le Marc go about achieving all of this?

Firstly, his grand plan depends on waiting several decades for his wife to die. Though it causes him great pain to be separated from Isabel, he bottles it up and waits, presumably keeping tabs on her using aliases. He knows Isabel loves his ex-wife (her mother) and thus he does not kill her in some way that makes it look like ‘an accident’, though, I am certain he has contemplated it. The greatest mind in the world considers every possibility. But he has his reputation to consider. He won’t go down as the con artist that resorted to murder. Also, y’know, he doesn’t want to hurt Isabel by robbing her of her mother prematurely.

After several decades Le Marc has managed to out-live his wife. Check. What’s the next stage? Unfortunately, times have changed, and for the worst. Can he get his daughter now? … Oh no!!!!!! Because of her childhood trauma, his daughter has been inspired to hate all criminals, and has made it literally her life’s work to go after high-profile thieves and utterly break them. Isabel is tracking down thieves in order to prove to herself that she doesn’t need her useless thief father, to fix that hole in her heart from when her father chose thievery over his daughter. Remember, Isabel believes terrible things about her father, stemming from lies about him from her mother. She desperately needs to prove that thievery is a wasted enterprise to prove to herself that she doesn’t need her father. She will break anybody she finds. She is vicious, and cunning. Le Marc recognises this and realises that although his wife is now out of the picture, Isabel herself is not ready to embrace her thief father. Before he can win her back, she will need to learn… she will need to learn to love a thief! That, of course, is where Rusty comes in later. Rusty is the one who is charming enough to show Isabel that not all thieves are terrible people, and that she is capable of feeling love for them.

With his daughter on her way back to him, Le Marc’s second problem is that the Faberge Egg is now under highly enhanced security. Times have indeed changed. Le Marc, perhaps once a fit young man like the Night Fox, is in no condition now to waltz into that laser-grid field and dance his way around security. Nor is he able to pull the sort of complicated, multi-faceted heist that Ocean’s gang of Eleven can pull with their bigger manpower, if he wants to continue to work as a solo con artist. He is certainly in a pickle. The longer he waits, the more sophisticated the security systems will get. That is where Ocean’s gang and the Night Fox come in. He needs to gain leverage over one of these kinds of thievery crews to do his bidding for him, though of course the greatest thief who ever lived would gain leverage over both of them. He needs them, with their unique capabilities, to steal the Egg first, and then he needs to con them out of it. This he achieves by fanning the flames of the competition to steal the Egg. All it took was influencing the right people while remaining above suspicion and it falls into his lap at the end. Easy peasy.

Le Marc’s third problem is that his apprentice, the Night Fox, is getting so egotistical, driven, and anxious to be the greatest thief in the world, that he may very well soon eclipse the reputation of his mentor. Certainly, if the Night Fox ever actually challenged Le Marc to a contest where he had to perform some kind of daring physical feat himself, there is no way he could beat him single-handedly in his retirement. In other words, Le Marc needs to find a way to put down this ‘alpha male’ challenge using his brain rather than brawn, while maintaining the highest possible standards of behaviour in order to protect his reputation and title as the greatest (and most ethical and professional) thief in the world to begin with. He cannot, for example, simply make the Night Fox ‘disappear’ in some cloak and dagger murder, though, again, I am certain that he will have contemplated it. However, he does elect to give the Night Fox a prod; a nudge that costs him over $97,000,000, and reminds him that he is simply mortal and he has meddled in the affairs of gods. (As we see in Ocean’s Thirteen, the Night Fox does not fully learn his lesson).

A Word on Danny and the Tess Recruitment Subplot

Did you even catch this? They don’t push this very hard, so it kind of goes under the radar, despite being the only bona fide con Danny pulls for his own sake in the whole film.

Tess wants Danny to retire from thievery for good. But Danny wants Tess to change her mind, and even join the gang and see how much fun it can be to be a thief. But how to make her see things his way? We saw in the first film how Danny always thinks to solve his problems with a con, and so when Le Marc saves their bacon by secretly giving them the Egg on a platter, so that neither the Night Fox or Terry Benedict can actually hurt them, Danny is also given an opportunity to con Tess. Thus the ‘fake’ Egg burglary in Rome is designed to be so amateurish that they deliberately get caught and thrown in prison. Uh oh – who can rescue us? Why, Tess, of course.

Tess is enlisted to save the day working as part of the con, yet everybody else knows that the environment for her is perfectly safe. She will get to experience the thrill of the con, and learn about her husband’s line of work. Despite her many protests about being turned into a ‘master thief’, I believe the poker game at the end of the film shows her accepting her place in the gang happily. I’m pretty sure that we are supposed to understand that the “Twelfth” member of Ocean’s gang is Tess after playing her role as “Julia Roberts”. So in the end, everything comes up great for Danny. Tess is on board the with thievery lifestyle, and Benedict is off his back, so they no longer have to play this ridiculous retirement charade of being Mr and Mrs Diaz. Danny has his life back just the way he wants it – all because of how Le Marc arranged the events of this film.

AND YET LE MARC STILL BESTED HIM! Le Marc still got his daughter, his egg, and his title back from work that Ocean’s gang did. Le Marc himself didn’t have to lift a finger. He just set up the board and let it play out. The Night Fox is egotistical and unhappy at being used. But Danny, though, being a thief of the highest calibre, recognises the genius of Le Marc, and is happy to “render unto Caesar” the spoils of his work. Danny is happy to bend the knee to his King of Kings, Le Marc, because his King granted him everything he wanted. It seems that every good con artist knows that the best con is one in which everybody wins – the Night Fox of course sees the world as more of a zero-sum game where there can only be one dominant male at the top of the pyramid, etc.

TL;DR: Le Marc’s arrangements achieve everything he wanted, and also got Danny and Tess back into their normal lives, as well as reuniting Rusty and Isabel.


(Remember, the film follows the gang through two weeks of 2004, so all these dates are either explicitly mentioned or have been worked out based on being told something happened “x” amount of time ago. Yes, I actually watched the whole movie multiple times and worked it out line by line, day by day, with a calender by my side. And yes, all of this information is in the text of the film(s). I conclude nothing you could not if you simply used your brain, ya goddam critics).

1980 – The start of it all: Le Marc steals the Egg for the first time but is forced to return it. Isabel is 9 years old. Mrs Lahiri takes her away from Le Marc, threatening to go to the police and have him put away for life if he ever tries to contact her.

1988: Le Marc fakes his death in Portugal.

1994: Van der Woude shuts himself in his house with his precious artifacts and never leaves again.

1996: Le Marc fakes his death in Hong Kong.

1997: The Night Fox is making a big name for himself, stealing from the Tate, Louvre, and Prado.

1999: Danny and Rusty pull a job stealing “Incan Matrimonial Headmasks” but Danny is arrested and imprisoned. Rusty thus finds himself at a loose end and travels to Rome. He meets and falls in love with Isabel.

2000: Rusty pulls “The Bulgari Job” with Frank and Nagel in Rome, and has to escape out of his bathroom window because Isabel is about to bust him. He eventually finds his way back to Los Angeles where he finds work “teaching movie stars how to play cards”.

2001: The events of the first film take place, Danny is released from prison and the gang pulls off the Belagio triple heist.

2002: The Night Fox steals the King of Morocco’s yacht.

2003, Between Ocean’s Eleven and Ocean’s Twelve: Danny and Tess come out of hiding and try to reintegrate into society as Mr and Mrs Diaz, Rusty buys a hotel that doesn’t run smoothly, Linus continues developing his talent, Saul moves in with a lady we can assume was the “nice lady who works the unmentionables counter at Macy’s”, the Malloy twins move back to Utah, Basher tries to be a rapper, Livingstone tries to be a standup comic, and Amazing Yen parties with supermodels.

2004, Six Weeks before the film begins: The loud and annoying American businessman Denny Shields insults the Night Fox by saying Ocean’s Eleven are the best thieves in the world. (Toulour will later claim he thought about this for three weeks before acting upon it).

2004, Three Weeks before the film begins: The Night Fox contacts Benedict supplying all the information he needs to locate the eleven members of Danny’s crew and drive them right where he wants them.

2004 – WEDNESDAY – THE FILM BEGINS: It’s Tess and Danny’s third anniversary (again). Benedict tells them they have two weeks to get his money. The Night Fox presumably also uses one of his aliases to ask Matsui to hire a crew that can steal the Van der Woude stock certificate. Matsui contacts Rusty to pull the job.

First Thursday. Thirteen days left: The gang meet secretly in the back of a warehouse. Rusty has already got them booked on a flight to Amsterdam where there is the possibility of work.

First Friday. Twelve days left: Linus tries to call Rusty for professional tips, but Rusty spends the whole day out stalking Isabel.

First Saturday. Eleven days left: The sit-down meeting with Matsui. They are given the Van der Woude job and hold a late night briefing in the hotel room, calling him a “super-freak.”

First Sunday. Ten days left: Recon work on the rooftop outside Van der Woude’s house. Rusty calls Nagel, who has lots of ideas but none of them any use. Rusty then has the idea of using the “Schumann Special.”

First Monday. Nine days left: Prep day (not shown).

First Tuesday. Eight days left: Raising the pylons and carrying out the Van der Woude heist. The Night Fox beats them to it. (Side note, I assume the Night Fox, using an alias, is good friends with Van der Woude as a fellow collector of arts and antiquities, has been in the building before, and thus has already obtained the code).

Second Wednesday. Seven days left: Isabel is called to solve the Van der Woude case. She figures out it was Rusty who used her idea of the Schumann Special. She arrests Frank outside the nail parlour. Rusty calls “Frank’s associate in Dublin” who we assume is Le Marc, since we know Albert Finney has a UK accent. Isabel shows up at the hotel room and identifies Danny and Yen.

Second Thursday. Six days left – THE DAY OF THE DOUBLE CROSS: The most important day of the film, where the big con happens. The gang are being watched and have to escape from their hotel, and then they get on a train from Amsterdam to Paris. Once in Paris, Danny and Rusty meet with Le Marc who tells them to put on a show for the Night Fox, and how to beat him. ~~IMPORTANT: Everything the gang did before this point was real, everything after was part of the act. Stop yer whining about the plot being negated, this is genius~~ During the night, half of the gang goes ahead to Italy to steal Toulour’s paintings, as per the scam suggested by Le Marc, making sure to show enough of their faces to the cameras to be identified.

Second Friday. Five days left: The other half of the gang gets on the Paris-Rome train and steals the Egg while in transit. Danny immediately goes to the Night Fox, taunts him about the paintings, and pretends to reluctantly accept the Egg challenge, knowing he already has it in his possession. Nagel and Isabel speak on the phone. The gang do some recon work at the Egg museum, purely for show.

Second Saturday. Four days left: Isabel figures out that the competing thieves will target the Egg. Yen arrives in Rome in a duffel bag. The gang (Turk and Virgil) do more recon work that night, while the Night Fox dances his way into the museum and steals the replica Egg.

Second Sunday. Three days left: The gang do their final rundown of the plan, and Nagel arrives with his holographic Egg replica. Rusty goes to visit Isabel, who swears she won’t take it easy on him anymore. Isabel fakes the 1077 paperwork she needs, then goes to meet the Night Fox, who is using an alias, and receives IDs and info she needs to foil the gang’s Egg heist tomorrow. Linus and Basher are already practicing their secondary heist plan for later. Danny and Rusty stay up late drinking wine after the Night Fox gives them a prank call.

Second Monday. Two days left: The day of the fake heist in the museum. All of Danny’s gang gets arrested (as planned) except for Linus, Basher, and Turk. They regroup and try to come up with a new plan, calling Tess and conning her into getting on a plane to Rome.

Second Tuesday. One day left: Tess and Saul arrive in Rome to complete the lineup for the second attempt at the Egg heist. Despite fooling Bruce Willis, Isabel can see through their attempt to pass off Tess as Julia Roberts, and arrests them all. However her superiors are not happy, and the FBI, who are really just fellow con artists led by Linus’s mother (and I’m guessing arranged by Le Marc, since Linus seems genuinely surprised), come to extradite the prisoners. Rusty and Isabel take the Egg to Le Marc, while Tess and Danny visit Toulour for the final showdown and to return his paintings, which he has already recovered on his own (again, it is entirely plausible he has infiltrated every high security warehouse in the city using aliases. Who’s to say he is not employed as a vault technician, for example? Or the owner of the whole building?)

Wednesday. Day of the deadline: Back in the US, Reuben is paying Benedict back for all the money they stole, plus interest. We see on Reuben’s cheque to Benedict that this day is Wednesday 1 December 2004, the actual day of the week that year. It all works out. The Night Fox is lurking outside the window, though, plotting his next move.

Next Monday: Everybody gathers in a casino for some gaming and good times. Tess and Isabel have joined the gang. Everybody learns that it’s awesome to be a con artist.

So I’m assuming you can read English and can therefore follow the threads of the story I have traced out for you. It’s a lot easier to see where the dirty tricks were pulled when it’s presented chronologically. But as I said at the start, it’s not the fault of this awesome movie that you’re too stupid to piece it all together when it’s presented out of order. Deal with it. Ocean’s Twelve is great!

68 Responses to Ocean’s Twelve EXPLAINED

  1. ADM says:

    A M A Z I N G L Y explained.
    When the movie was released I actually saw it like five times in the movies and after it came out in sale I purchased and have watched many times and now in netflix I have watched it twice. I’m still suprised on all the cons and love Le Marc.

  2. Michael Kaylor says:

    Excellent Analysis. Ocean’s 12 does seem to be neglected in the admiration department as a film, but I always thought this one was the ‘thinker’ of the group.

  3. Nick says:

    I love this! Thank you for mapping it all out. I really needed to see it all explained, because I know I love this movie but every time I get a little lost. But I always knew there was so much more at play.

    However I have one question for you. Why is the real faberge egg being transported by a seemingly young dude and not protected like they originally explained? On top of that how does le Marc know the whereabouts of the real egg? That’s the one thing I can’t figure out.

  4. Andrew says:


    The young guy is no doubt a police officer — remember he is accompanied by the two plain clothes security in the next seats. He isn’t just running around alone, they know his movements.

    We have to use our imagination here to fill in a little of the details.

    But basically I would think Le Marc has been using an Alias to become involved with the museum organisations responsible for the egg. I think the explanation that makes the most sense is that Le Marc was involved in planning the route of the real egg, or more likely to buffer himself, has gained leverage over somebody else who was involved. Just like Baron Toulour, he might have an alias where he is also a nervous fabulously rich art dealer who might be called upon to consult on the egg exhibition?…who knows!

  5. Flavvy says:

    Nice summary. Really cleared things up for me, thanks!

    One thing though: who in the gang is aware of the fact that they already have the egg on the second Friday (in the train)?

    For instance: when most of the gang gets arrested at the museum as part of the fake heist, Linus, Basher, and Turk are left going through alternatives at the hideout. Are they aware that this is also just putting on a show (for the cameras that the Night Fox has in their hideout), or do they genuinely think they need a new plan after a failed heist?

    I’m also unclear on what they would have done had Linus’ mother not shown up (since you seem to say they definitely didn’t plan that): wouldn’t they all just have been arrested with no way of bringing the egg to the Night Fox or paying off their debt to Benedict?

  6. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie almost as much as I enjoyed being told over and over that I was too stupid to comprehend it.

  7. Andrew says:

    Oh, sorry Flavvy I didn’t go into that bit.

    Le Marc arranged their exit from the Italian prison. How else would he get his two prizes delivered to him in France? Additionally, a deal’s a deal, and Le Marc always remembers his friends.

    As for who knew in the gang, it’s clear that they all knew. Turk, Linus, and Basher were simply “putting on a very elaborate show” for Tulour’s surveillance. This is why the gang are so great – their darkest moment of trying to figure out a new plan, find a new way out of their defeat (i.e. trying to pull off the new ‘Bundle of Joy combined with the Lookie-Lou’ with Saul and Tess) and all the stress, the bickering, the anger, the egos, the desperation they display on screen here WAS ALL A LITTLE IMPROVISED SCENE FOR THE SAKE OF THE NIGHT FOX WHO THEY KNEW WAS WATCHING THEM.

    It also reinforces how they don’t fully trust Linus as a proper leader yet – he isn’t allowed in the Meet with Matsui; the only time he is put in charge is in the pretend plan.

    Thanks for reading.

  8. Akshay says:

    Great read, thanks for the timeline! And you’re right, Oceans Twelve really is an incredible movie!

  9. Tobias says:

    Simoly amzing explanation – thanks ia finally get it all !!!!

  10. Nate says:

    I love you, thank you!

  11. larawbertani says:

    Hi Andrew I realize your blog is years old but if you are still managing it (and your email the same) I need your help understanding the movie! I absolutely loved but I’m still stuck on one point, even after reading many articles. I’m embarrassed to admit it but I still don’t get the egg part. So they stole the real egg on the train and presumably replaced it with a fake egg. But if the black fox stole the fake egg, where did the digital egg come from that was there in the museum? I don’t get it and it’s making me nuts! Help!

  12. Andrew says:

    Hi Lara

    I believe the sequence of events is this:

    Real egg is stolen on the train. Either they replaced it with a replica (using perhaps Le Marc’s inside knowledge of exactly what was in the bag?) so that the authorities never noticed when they received the backpack, OR, the authorities simply kept the loss of the real egg a secret.

    In Rome in the upcoming display, they display a replica to the public (which we are told they often do anyway). While the authorities MAY know they have lost the REAL egg, The Night Fox still thinks it is the real egg.

    So before the exhibit even opens, there is a replica being set up for display in Rome, and The Night Fox swoops in on the first possible opportunity to steal it (the night dancing through the laser fields). He thinks it is the real one, and he thinks he has taken the first opportunity and beaten Ocean’s Eleven to it, because they are only still at the Recon stage of their operation (which we learn later is merely for show).

    Either the authorities/museum owners set up ANOTHER replica, or The Night Fox simply replaced it with a replica himself. Either way, the next morning there is STILL a replica egg on show. So yes, there are a couple of replicas involved here, not merely one.

    Meanwhile, although they have the real egg, Ocean’s Eleven still have to go through with the fake plan to make everything seem real. So they enlist the help of Roman Nagel to create a digital one. This is necessary because they chose to do their swap/heist (the fake one) during DAY time while there were security guards checking bags – and they obviously would be caught with a replica on their person. (The Night Fox didn’t have this problem because he obviously danced in at night with no security). Instead of going inside during the daytime with a full egg in their backpack, they merely have that metal slab (which probably fits in between some books in Linus’s bag because he is always disguising himself as a student).

    That plan fails because they get caught at the door and arrested, but later on the smaller group manages to use the same digital-projection replica of the egg while they do the “Julia Roberts Plan” (The Looky-loo with the Bundle of Joy).

    And meanwhile of course, Isabel thinks that the egg in the museum is the real one and that she is doing a great job of guarding it.

    Thanks for your comment, it’s cool to think about it. I hope this clears it up for you a little bit.

  13. Jobi says:

    And don’t forget, the entire audience got conned. ALL. OF. US. We were WAY out of the loop til the very end, just like the Night Fox. Haha I love it! Genius film.

  14. Kyle says:

    Very well written and you’re correct on almost everything.
    Except after reviewing the film last night with a huge oceans fan. I’ve come to the conclusion that Isabel was in on it from the very beginning.
    Rusty called her after his phone call from Benedict.

  15. Andrew says:

    Oh dear god, Kyle. What a can of worms. I will consider this forensically the next time I watch, but going from memory I’d have to disagree. I think she loses far too much – it is implied by the way that she walks off with Rusty at the end, admitting defeat, that she is in deep, deep shit and will probably lose her job after fucking with the 1077 form for the second unsuccessful time. And at the start I can’t imagine what kind of phone call Rusty would have had with her, completely out of the blue, asking her to come and pretend (or try for real) to ‘catch me if you can!’ There just isn’t that much in it for her – remember Rusty doesn’t know that he has the “Le Marc is your father” card in his pocket until the gang have well and truly started messing things up with the Van der Woude heist that already has Izzy on their tail.

    But more importantly than just saying ‘it is too intricate and bizarre’, I would have to say it also makes absolutely no sense at all from the storyteller’s perspective. Conning Izzy back into Rusty’s arms AND giving her her father back AND helping her be part of the greatest con of all time that outfoxes the Night Fox that she admires so much is EXACTLY the kind of “con in which everybody wins” that Le Marc, and his dedicated followers Ocean’s gang of eleven or more, purport to hold as the ultimate achievement of their profession. This is the moral of the story – without it why are we watching the story?

    But nonetheless, this is extremely provoking. Thank you so much for the comment! Please do leave me more specific notes on this matter if you have them. Cheers, Andy.

  16. Jake Killham says:

    So did Reuben pay Benedict back with his own money? Or did the night fox give Danny and Tess the check when they told him that they won? It is unclear if he actually paid (since he lost) as it isn’t actually shown in the film and in your synopsis, you said: “Back in the US, Reuben is paying Benedict back for all the money they stole, plus interest.” I was just a little confused on that part, other than that you cleared a lot of things up, or I guess reordered the events in a way that was easier to understand.

  17. Andrew says:

    Hi Jake thanks for your comment. Yes Reuben is paying with the Night Fox’s money. Remember during their first meeting and the challenge being laid that the Night Fox tells Danny that Le Marc will hold onto the money (the full amount owed to Benedict) in escrow to show that there is no chance of him reneging on his deal. Otherwise yes it would be likely the Night Fox would simply refuse to pay Danny – he never expected to lose. This means that Tess and Danny go to Toulour’s mansion at the end of the film merely to rub it in his face. It’s like the showdown in a poker game – Danny smiles and shows the Night Fox his Royal Flush. But he doesn’t have to aggressively demand the cash – the dealer has already raked it over for him.

  18. Savan Kuppast says:

    I always knew i was missing out on something (actually a lot of things).
    Not until recently i watched the film again, i got an urge to dig out more on the film.
    Very well explained Andrew. Thank you for efforts you put in to explain each activity in detail.
    Also amazed at the fact that there are people still watching and talking about this film.

  19. weifushi says:

    First of all loved the movie and the work you put into this… is incredible. Very appreciative. I just had one QUESTION, how could have Rusty met Isabel when he travelled to Rome, the scene shows Rusty genuinely catching Isabel staring at him and walking up to her to break the ice. I don’t understand how Le Marc himself could have planned it, especially when Rusty himself (and Danny) met with Le Marc possibly for the first time 5-6 years later, when they had 6 days left before the deadline.

  20. Andrew says:

    Thanks weifushi for your comment! Your question is a good one, and rather than saying “just coincidence”, let me be maddeningly provocative and answer by saying… Who do you think hired Rusty for whatever that job was? Who do you think called the police on him so he would have to run past her table? Le Marc! Haha.

  21. Patrick says:

    Great writeup! It’s impossible to catch everything going on when watching this movie for the first time…
    Regarding the egg heist, you wrote on February 11th: “Meanwhile, although they have the real egg, Ocean’s Eleven still have to go through with the fake plan to make everything seem real.”

    Why would they still have to go through with the fake plan? I mean they had already acquired the real egg in the train thanks to LeMarc’s information. Wouldn’t that mean that they already had won the bet with Tolour by acquiring the egg before him?

  22. Andrew says:

    Yes but they had not changed Isabel’s mind about thieves yet. This was part of Le Marc’s terms

  23. Jacob says:

    Hello. I’m very impressed by the work put into this synopsis but there are a few things that still don’t work for me. I don’t like the Isabel story line because too much is based on her sign breaking the law and signing the 1077. If she doesn’t do that and convinces her superior to fund her investigation then that whole part of the plot doesn’t work. She wouldn’t go with Rusty, they wouldn’t get out of jail, and linus’ mom wouldnt have been able to con them out of prison. Which leads me to my next issue. They were still arrested. They are now fugitives who escaped jail they cant fly around and taunt the night fox. Which is why them playing along and getting arrested in the second attempt makes absolutely no sense. What did they gain by getting caught by isabel. I guess you can say that Lamarc would have asked them to fake it but that puts the eleven at way higher of a risk for no benefit. And lastly I don’t think lamarc was trying to show the night fox he wasn’t the best or whatever reasoning you had for him helping Danny and rusty. I think lamarc was furious that the night fox broke rule number one. Don’t tell on other thieves. And lamarc used this situation as a way to put the night fox in his place by costing him almost 200 million dollars. I know I said lastly and apparently I lied because it also bugs me that this whole movie is based on a guy (don’t remember who he is) is in front of lamarc and the night fox and says Danny ocean is the best thief. Who of the eleven and tess had any idea who was behind the Bellagio job? Why is the person who ran their mouth from the eleven to this third party being investigated by the group. And even then how did the night fox discover who was apart of the eleven when Benedict couldn’t. That makes no sense. I know you think this movie is great, it definitely promotes good discussion, but there are too many things that don’t seem to hold water for me to like this movie.

  24. Richard says:

    Thoroughly enjoyed Ocean’s 12. But, and this may be a stupid question to many, how did the Night Fox gain the information of the 11’s whereabouts, that he then conveyed to Benedict?

  25. Andrew says:

    Good afternoon Richard

    Remember “rule number one”? That is never tell on other thieves. This is necessary because the thievery world (at their high level) is actually very small and most of the players seem to know each other. Remember Denny Shields (the loud and annoying American businessman) was bragging about Danny ocean and his gang of eleven in front of the night fox. Now even if he didn’t mention everybody’s name, just Danny’s would be enough for a motivated and “very bored” operator of Tolour’s capability – remember, he actually is one of the best in the world. It is implied though not shown that he has many aliases, and in order to drop the folder on Benedict’s desk secretly and at the right moment he had to travel to the US, so I think he definitely did his detective work on the gang on his own. He could simply have asked around, pretending to be, say, “Moretti” the famous art thief, and it would have been quite true to say he wanted to get their info in order to hire them (through Matsui) for the upcoming Van der Wouder job!! Hell, maybe he went to Vegas and asked Denny Shields!

    Another angle to consider is that Le Marc simply told him! In order to fan the flames of competition, which as the whole movie shows us is definitely in his interest.

    Thanks for your comment!

  26. Andrew says:

    And of course the Tess con hadn’t yet begun

  27. Patricia says:

    I love your analysis and your funny comments about the stupidity of people who just dismiss the movie because it’s complicated.
    You breakdown of everything sure made it clearer to me. I think I’m going to watch it again now.

  28. My only question is why did they transport such a valuable egg on a train in a backpack?

  29. Patricia says:

    Oh Andrew! Your explanation of this movie made a second viewing of the movie so much richer. I was lost the first time I saw it, but the second time, after reading your blog, I found the movie so clever and fun!

    Thanks so much.

  30. AJ says:

    I do not remember Isabel receiving info and IDs when she met Taloure. I recall her not even attempting to watch the surveillance video as she remarks “this type of thief wouldn’t be caught on camera.” Fantastic movie. Outside of the Schumann Special and Lookie Liu which we saw materialize, I wonder if any of the other code words for heist strategies mentioned in both 11 and 12 were real (hell in a hand basket, etc)

  31. Andrew says:

    Dear Jacob, I want to thank you for reading my post and commenting, but I have to say these objections are exactly why I wrote this in the first place. The answers to all these questions are in the body of the film itself. Closer study is needed. Best wishes for rewarding re-watches :)

  32. Ron says:

    Hi ! Thank you for all of this, the film seems very different now and much more interesting. But I still don’t get something. How come the fake plan of the 11 (being arrested by Isabel etc) can change Isabel’s mind about thieves ?

  33. PK says:

    Thats too good bro! I had some doubts, all got cleared by reading your article. I would agree on the troglodyte point, people just dont get great movies!!

  34. Nikkk says:

    Andrew, thank you for the excellent synopsis and timeline. The only part I’m baffled with is how did Danny and Rusty know how to find Lemarque so that the double-cross could happen. How did they know who he was and where (Paris) to find him in the first place ? How was that meeting arranged ?

    PS: anyone who hated the film can bugger off

  35. Filippo says:

    I totally avere with about how Great this movie is, just a question: Who do you think is the owner of the white luggage in the car they use to take tess at the airport… I think they are saul’s… But I see them no where else.

  36. Roberto says:

    Hi Andrew. I’m the most troglodytes of them all. So I have a few questions:
    1- Why Linus Basher and Turk didn’t let the police arrest them? Why have a second (fake) chance to steal the (two timed faked) egg?
    2- Why on earth would Isabel return to love thieves seeing Ocean’s gang all in prison. I mean: what’s the point of getting caught in prison? To make Isabel fall in love with thieves again (but why would she?) or maybe conning Toulour Night Fox into thinking he was winning and make his defeat harder?
    3- I just assume Le Marc has made a call to Ocean back when he still was in Amsterdam with his gang and ask him to have a meeting in Paris. Am I right? Otherwise why would they’ve been going to Paris?

  37. Andrew says:

    Hi Roberto. Thanks for your comment.
    1-Because Tess needed to think the situation was desperate and she was saving Danny.
    2-It was important to show Isabel that while she can catch thieves, ultimately she can’t hold onto them, and the thievery lifestyle is for the best people in the world – SHE should open up to it and stop playing for the losing side (the police). Just compare her behaviour when she has caught them to when Rusty is escaping at the airport. She goes from confident detective to distraught little girl in the blink of an eye. This was part of the plan too – to remove her confidence (as in, con-man, confidence man) to demonstrate the futility and inauthenticity of her career.
    3-Not quite sure how they hooked up with Le Marc, but there are plenty of comments sprinkled throughout the film that show us the thievery world is quite small, and everybody knows everybody.

  38. Harry Moore says:

    Love the explanation. This is one of my favorite movies. Very underrated. I’ve watched it over and over to understand more of the details.

    I think you missed one minor “con” though. At the very beginning, I think Isabel knew it was Rusty who pulled the Bulgari job when she was laying out the evidence. She was teasing Rusty. She knew Rusty was a criminal when she saw him running from the police. But her teasing backfired when Rusty jumped out the window.

  39. 3deationlabs says:

    I have literally watched oceans 12 more times than any other human on earth, still I was left with so many questions, I think this blog definitely helped answer most of them but still a few are left unanswered:

    1. why did yen get lost, to con isabel or to con night fox, both, was it a joke ? common!!

    2. why did linus’s mom say “Im already forgetting your name” ? is this because he doesnt visit or call wtff, also how is she and his dad connected to the con, I dont really see this point. Its really hard for me to believe that they are such great con artists they can con the FBI in the manner which they do, like how can linus’s dad be in an FBI office (third film, hilarious scene btw) answering phone calls like wtff?? its really confusing

    ok ill stop there I can sit here for 300 years and never stop asking questions, this movie in my opinion is the best of all three and i love rewatching it, I can actually feel my brain’s synapses working! DAMN!

  40. Chris says:

    I think your timeline is slightly wrong: Danny was in prison for 4 years.

  41. Chris says:

    Thanks for this great article, I still have some questions, maybe someone can answer them :)

    1. So when is Nagel getting the Egg-Job? Does Rusty talk to him in person in Rome?

    2. What are Rusty and Danny talking about in the hotel room the night before they want so “steal” the egg? Is this some kind of code because they are being watched? It doesn’t sound like a real conversation to me.

    3. And why are Linus and Bashed practicing for the ‘secondary heist plan’ as you called it? I thought the whole team practices the heist because the Nightfox is watching so why are they openly planning the other heist, the nightfox could see that too?

    4. And is there some timing mistake with Yen? I thought I heard him talking somewhere before he actually came back.

  42. Chris says:

    Sorry for commenting again but I just wanted to thank you for this text because as it turns out, people are really THAT stupid. I thought “yeah some things were not quite clear in the movie if you watched it only once” but now I read some posts on other websites and some people understood NOTHING at all.

    It must be a really sad life if you don’t understand most movies (I love to read reviews on amazon so I know that EVERY movie hast some people that don’t get it at all, even movies that are straightforward and not at all hard to understand…)

  43. Dina says:

    Even after your EXCELLENT analysis, I still have a question. In the museum with Tess, when she is faking being ill, I thought I clearly saw Linus swipe the fake egg and the hologram was set up in its place. What really happened here? Did I miss something? Was it understood (without showing it) that Linus was forced to put the fake egg back?

  44. Moondc says:

    Great analysis, thanks. I just saw the movie now for the first time and I found the plot quite intricate. Your analysis helped clarify things. I have a minor question. The relationship between Isabel and Rusty is not fully clear to me. In the opening scene sometime in 2000, they are already dating until it is clear she’s going to find out about his involvement with the Bulgari thing. So he runs away. Then in 2004 they meet again but there are cafe scenes before she goes to his hotel room. Do we have to assume these are flashbacks from 2000?

  45. Andrew says:

    Hi thanks for your comment! Yes indeed they are flashbacks including where they are at a dance in a spotlight like they’re the only people on earth :-)

  46. alex says:

    hi…how was Danny so sure that Toulour would challenge about the egg?

  47. Andrew says:

    Hi Alex. To answer using a line from Ocean’s Thirteen, “because you’re you, and I’m me.” Also remember that line “how was Toulour?”–“predictable”.

    This is a question of worldviews. Toulour is known to be an egomaniac who must live as the top dog. It is known by Le Marc, who says to Danny “I’m sure I’ve provoked him” long before Toulour even issues the challenge. This is a character flaw. This ego makes Toulour the bad guy. Danny and his crew are the good guys because they have transcended this character flaw. Danny and co opt for teamwork, for loyalty and trust (rule number one) and uphold and stay true to the quest by making personal sacrifices like risking going to jail while the rookie pulls off the final touches of the plan.

    In essence, this film is about family. Eat your heart out Vin Diesel.

    Cheers for reading and commenting :)

  48. tusharj2209 says:

    I knew LeMarc was really the greatest one when he says, “for this!” To Isabel at the end… Love this film.

  49. zjmarine says:

    If the night fox stole the fake egg on Saturday, how was their still an egg for ‘julia roberts’ and co. to steal on Monday? Wouldn’t Isabelle have been notified about the stolen egg within those 48 hours?

  50. Forro says:

    I always thought Matsui and LeMarc were the same person, but clearly I’m one of those idiots you mention.

  51. Andrew says:

    Dear Forro, it is forgivable to not know the difference between Robbie Coltrane and Albert Finney, two great acting powerhouses, but not to think that Matsui’s goals are driven by Le Marc.

    When we see Isabel break Matsui in a few seconds in interrogation, there can only logically be one thing she is revealing to him: “the Night Fox used you in order to destroy your friends” and it makes him break down. This clearly would indicate that Matsui is not in on any of the grander plans.

    Best wishes for more attentive and rewarding rewatches :)

  52. Cameron says:

    I’ll just start by telling you how utterly impressed I am by this, and how happy I am that I came across it. It’s nice to know that there are other fans of this movie out there like myself! When this movie came out, I was 13 years old, and I wen’t to see it in theaters with my older sister. I remember being fascinated with all aspects of it, as I was, and still am a huge fan of heist films and espionage.

    I member not being able to wait for this to come out on DVD so that I could ask for it for Christmas, which I did, and I got it! It quickly became one of my favorite films. It’s so pleasing to watch, from the cinematography, to the various European settings, to the incredible chemistry these actors have when they get together, just to mention a few. I absolutely fell in love with the what David Holmes did with the soundtrack, (which I bought immediately) and his choice of added music. The perfectly curated Trip-Hop and Acid Jazz that set the mood for this film.

    Your write up, and timeline have provided me with an even deeper love for the film that I still call one of my favorites here at 28 years old, and I can’t thank you enough. I’ll certainly be bookmarking this!

    Oh, and the one thing I have ALWAYS wanted to know.. “What does Izzy say to Matsui that makes him break in the interrogation room!!?” As many times as I have seen this film, I was able to put a good chunk of what you wrote together on my own, but that one always eluded me!

    Thank you, Andrew, and Cheers!


  53. Andrew says:

    What a joy to read – meet me at the clubhouse, fellow nerd!

  54. Andrew says:

    I have answered your interrogation question in the previous comments — hope you saw that. Cheers Andrew

  55. Akash says:

    My only question to you is that how would le marc know where the real egg is? And why anybody would move the real egg in a train? It was an immature theft by staging a fight scene on a train and stealing the real egg! Except that the movie was great!

  56. Aris says:

    Just expressing my gratitude here, thanks a lot, Andrew!
    To be honest however, I think the producers of the film could have expected a rather unsuccessful reception of their movie. The plot is far too complicated for the normal spectator. The question therefore remains why they decided to stick to it nevertheless.

  57. Robert says:

    A fantastic write-up. I’ve just seen this film for the first time in Netflix. Will have to watch it again to pick out these intricacies.

    Appreciate it’s many years later so you may not see this but I have two observations and one question.

    It feels like Le Marc played a really long game. I think he orchestrated getting Rusty to Rome and then having the police chase him past his daughter. We hear the remark of how they didn’t catch him…I’m guessing that the police were on his pay and deliberately drove Rusty to the square and that cafe when he knew his daughter would be there. Le Marc knew he needed his daughter to fall in love with a thief if he had a chance of winning her back and so enticed his daughter with a good looking American thief.
    This would also explain how he knew where the real egg was, as he had connections in the police force (and had done for a long time).
    I think Rusty lets Isabel take his phone so that she is given a clue as to what they are stealing and when. If the hologram maker hadn’t called she wouldn’t have been able to write down “tomorrow”.
    Finally the question – the money that Toulour pays is only $97m which is the shortfall they need not the total amount plus interest. So each of them still has to pay everything they took from the first film.

    So they do lose in the end but I don’t understand why they all look so happy and rich! Particularly the one guy who’s been living with his mum who hasn’t spent a cent and has to help cover Rusty’s hotel losses.
    The only thing that I can think makes sense is their original financier covers the whole debt (as he offered to do for the old guy) – so ends up $100m down as a result. That would be incredibly generous! What do you think?

  58. Andrew says:

    Thanks so much for your reply, Robert. I agree that Le Marc moves many if not all of the pieces around this board, and that certain explanations have been deliberately left out of the screenplay to let us fill in the blanks and use our imaginations — bringing us on board too like a certain lady who resembles Julia Roberts.
    Thanks again, I will never get tired of this film.

  59. Chris says:

    In the end, when Danny and Tess are talking to Toulour, how did Toulour realize Danny had won? There was no indicator or nothing said for him to pick up on this.

  60. Andrew says:

    Hi Chris, thanks for your comment. To explain, remember what role Reputation plays in the films. Danny’s reputation, as Willy Bank says in the third film, is that “he’s a serious guy.” Toulour is smart enough to realise immediately, once Danny refuses to be baited by his gloating and doesn’t react, that actually Danny wouldn’t win this challenge by simply LYING about it. He would con at every other moment of his life but not actual serious ones like this. If Danny is acting as if he has won the challenge without Toulour even knowing about it, then Toulour will take him at his word — that’s his reputation. So Toulour immediately begins to think very hard and fast. He has covered every single angle of the challenge – except one. The X factor. The only thing Toulour didn’t have an angle on. Le Marc. And so after that pregnant, revealing silence, those are the very next words Toulour says. “………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. but that means…. you spoke to Le Marc….”

    Again, these two guys are the top of their field – top con men in the world. Their brains can run over the pieces of the puzzle very quickly and put them together without having to fumble around for mere words. Toulour can put this puzzle together instantly once he gets that clue to think out-of-the-box about Le Marc’s input.

  61. Jenn says:

    Andrew, I’m so glad you are still replying to people’s comments. I have just one question that has haunted me since the very first time I watched it. I feel stupid for asking it because no one else has, which tells me everyone knows the answer and it must be obvious. So, why was I able to figure out this film before reading your write-up, but not this one little piece of information? How does Toulour know the code at the end of the film when Danny and Tess start to tell him and he finishes it??? Ocean’s 12 is one of the best films of all time. It is my favorite, of course, of all 4 Ocean films. I love how deep the details run. The complexity. I happen to watch it again last night and decided that I would look up the answer to my question today. Please answer and put my mind to rest!!!!

  62. Canny Ocean says:

    I actually read this article a few years back, but something on Twitter prompted me to come back and link this article to people who claim the movie is ‘stupid/does not make sense’.

    GREAT explanation, and thank you very much for your time and effort.

    To answer Jenns question, who may or may not see this;

    Remember. Toulour was essentially watching their every move since he set up the challenge. And he has eyes everywhere. Now, he actually found out they stole them just before he met Danny for the first time. So I would say that they he likely found out where they hid them, as well as the code, which they did some time after he set the challenge. Even Danny didn’t know how he did that, so it’s not really something we’d be expected to know.

  63. Andrew says:

    Thanks for the mention, Canny. That’s always nice to hear. Yes, Jenn and I have had an email correspondence. I honestly don’t “know” how Toulour got his paintings back, but the solution really can only be “he really actually is that good.”

  64. Andrew says:

    Hi again Robert, I wanted to answer one small particular point you raise. Did Rusty let or want Isabel to steal his phone, thereby getting the info from Nagel about how to bust the egg heist?

    While I have argued that a lot of these “problems” in the film were actually deliberate cons by ocean’s Eleven, on this point I’d like to make it very clear that it was NOT planned.

    The purpose of this being in the film is actually the opposite. It is in the film to show us that Ocean’s Eleven are the greatest thieves in the world NOT ONLY because of their meticulous planning, BUT ALSO because of their ability to improvise and turn a setback into an asset.

    While Toulour can improvise his way around a laser grid, his thinking and world view is actually very much rigid. Ocean’s Eleven can truly think outside of the box — okay, so the greatest detective in the country has been given a direct tap on our communications and there’s no way we can pull off the job now, how can we make this into an asset? By having it play into the Julia Roberts con! Truly out of the box thinking

  65. Tushar Tyagi says:

    Thank you so much… I Believe too this was a master piece among all three TBH !

  66. John says:

    I’ve read, re-read, watched and re-watched. Endless enjoyment on all counts. Thank you, Andrew.

    The Rusty-Isabel meet bothers me, I must say. It just feels manipulative. Perhaps Rusty, in fact, “dresses like a gigolo” because he is one? Which would be sad. I’d hate to think their love is not pure. Could Le Mark become aware of the relationship after its consummation and figure out how to play it to his advantage?

    When Rusty tells Frank “Don’t tell Danny,” are we to understand that Rusty sought the Matsui meet in Amsterdam so he can get close to Isabel? This seems like an uncharacteristically dangerous move that could jeopardize the gang.

    Thank you so much!


  67. Canny says:

    It’s me again.

    I had a question:

    If Yen left Amsterdam, as well as Danny and Rusty meet with LeMarc, on Thursday

    And Yen returned to Italy on Saturday

    Why is it, during the movie, when Danny is briefing everyone on who Tolour is, we hear Yen’s voice.

    Keep in mind this scene happened after we see Yen placed in the bag, but before Danny meets up with Tolour. And right after Yen speaks, Danny says ‘OK, in the interests of time, I’ll skip to my favourite’…and then he goes on to say ‘respond in kind’ referencing stealing the paintings

    Because we hear Yens voice, it must be before they left the hotel, right?

    You say that Le Marc suggested stealing the paintings but I don’t see where.

    I think they either didn’t decide their ‘response in kind’ was going to be stealing the paintings, or adapted it after meeting with Le Marc. And they were only told that Night Fox = Tolour over the phone or something. And therefore, this briefing took place BEFORE they all left the hotel, which is why Yen speaks, which is why Danny is in a rush…

    Maybe I’m over thinking it.

    P.S. When Linus, Basher and Turk meet up after the rest get arrested, Turk says ‘it was the first decent evening we had together in I don’t even know how long’

    I assume he’s talking about the evening they arguing which we were shown in Tolours recollection of what happened the night he stole the replica. I found that funny lol.

  68. Martha Moon says:

    Awesome. Thanks for this thorough explanation!!!

    Only one thing is not clear to me. How did Linus ‘s mother know about the “paperwork issue” (Isabel faking the signature)? Which seems to have been what put off Isabel’s guard.

    Thanks again for taking the time to explain. You made the whole experience amazing!!

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